Tuesday, December 1, 2009

Afghanistan War Over In Three Years? Dream On!


That's what President Obama wants, and expects, from his Christmas surge. I'll believe it when I'll see it - which is doubtful.

Heck, even some (and only some) Americans progressives are (finally) waking up to the fact that Afghanistan is a complete FUBAR - period. Here's one notable example (emphasis added):

(...) What's the long term strategy? Kill all the Taliban? Do we even know who is Taliban and who is not? Matthew Hoh, the US diplomat who resigned his post in protest of the war, points out that "valleyism" reigns supreme in Afghanistan. That means if you come into my valley, I will fight you. They don't care if you're Russian or British or Persian or American or even an Afghan from the central government. You step into their valley, and they will fight you to the bitter end. And there is no end. They're fighting us because we're fighting them.

(...) The Taliban never had full control of Afghanistan, and they never will. The minute they try to take charge, the Afghans - as is in their nature - will rebel. They'll fight back. They'll fight for their valleys. They'll fight to the bitter end. And there is no end.

How about Al Qaeda? There are very few Al Qaeda fighters left in Afghanistan. And drone strikes work just as well in Afghanistan as they do in Pakistan (or just as poorly, depending on your perspective). Let's focus on getting those guys - remember they're the ones who actually attacked us. But we don't have to occupy a whole country (and rebuild it, too) while we hunt for Al Qaeda. If you think that we do, then under that logic, we should invade Pakistan and occupy it until we capture Osama bin Laden who is hiding in that country.

(...) Finally, the amount of money we're spending on these wars is insane. In Iraq and Afghanistan combined, we have so far spent $937 billion. For that kind of money, we could have already given everyone in the country health care - and not even paid for it. The wars, unlike the current health care proposals, are not deficit neutral. They are enormous budget busters and suck the funding from everything else. Is there really anyone in America who believes a few more years of the Afghanistan war is worth not getting health care coverage for themselves or their family?

The bottom line is that we don't have a viable partner in Afghanistan and we don't have the legitimacy that is essential to rebuilding the country. The Afghans don't view us as their saviors. They view us as the latest intruder in their valley. That is not a visit that is going to work out for us. That's not a visit that's ever worked out for anybody.

Ipso facto.

As Helen Thomas already said, and reprised by Keith Olbermann, "declare victory and get out!" Mr. President.

In the meantime, I'll read again the Afghanistan war speech Obama should give in (dreaded) anticipation of his speech tonight, all the while hoping against hope that our Prime Poseur won't decide also to go for three more years.

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2 POVs/Comments:

  1. Yah, it's a dark evening for me too.

    Like LBJ before him, I dare say that he will be a one term pres. Afghanistan is another Vietnam that will drain financially and in every other way.

    After hearing the speech, it was quite apparent that he drank Bush's kool-aid, in the words of Michael Moore. Yeesh!!

    I don't know what he was thinking. Same thing when he was waffling on public option in health care bill.

    He's sooo desperate to make friends with the GOP, tea-baggers and yes, even Rush and Beck and Fox News.

    Except, he hasn't grasped yet that they will never ever play nicely with him. Now, he will be alone, because in addition to not gaining the love of the GOP, he will lose his supporters.

    I predict: Say hello to President Palin in 2012.

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  2. "I predict: Say hello to President Palin in 2012."

    Now that will be the end of the world as we know it - as the Mayans supposedly predicted! ;-)

    Seriously, though, I pretty much agree entirely with you, CK - on all points.

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